Diskussion:Hanford Site/Archiv
Die radioaktive Wolke von 1948
Die radioaktive Wolke von 1948 war ein Menschenversuch - kein Unfall (nicht signierter Beitrag von 2003:69:C93F:8FAB:230:5FF:FEA8:1B16 (Diskussion | Beiträge) 14:52, 24. Jun. 2014 (CEST))
- Hast du einen (ernstzunehmenden) Beleg dafür? --UvM (Diskussion) 15:54, 24. Jun. 2014 (CEST)
War jetzt zwar 1949, aber trotzdem
Zitat:
"Abertausende Arbeiter, Anwohner und Farmer wurden sogar teils absichtlich verstrahlt - zu Testzwecken. Am 3. Dezember 1949 jagten Hanford-Physiker eine hochradioaktive Wolke durch den Schornstein des T-Werks, des damals weltgrößten Plutoniumwerks. Die Strahlung übertraf die des späteren Reaktorunfalls von Harrisburg fast ums Tausendfache. Das Experiment hieß "Green Run", Fallout wanderte bis nach Kalifornien."
spiegel.de--31.16.170.231 12:05, 10. Mai 2017 (CEST)
- Dieser Spiegel-Artikel beruft sich ausdrücklich auf ein Enthüllungsbuch "Atomic Harvest" ("Atomare Ernte") von 1993, nennt aber nicht dessen Verfasser, Verlag usw. Das sieht leider ziemlich fragwürdig aus. Anti-Atom-Pamphlete aller Art gab und gibt es ja genug. In Hanford wurde sicher ungeniert und nach heutigen Maßstäben sehr leichtfertig mit Radioaktivität umgegangen. Aber absichtliche Menschenversuche zu unterstellen ist noch etwas anderes -- und müsste schon seriös belegt werden. --UvM (Diskussion) 12:11, 10. Mai 2017 (CEST)
- Eine kurze Recherche ergab amazon.de. Außerdem gibt es ja auch noch den Wikipedia Artikel zu Green-Run. Aus dem Spiegel Artikel geht hervor (übrigens auch aus dem Wikipedia Artikel), dass Anwohner absichtlich zu Testzwecken verstrahlt wurden. Dies ist in allen zivilisierten Gemeinschaften illegal (auch schon 1949) und somit kann man auch nicht von leichtfertigen Umgang reden. Da Sie hier auch noch von "Anti-Atom-Pamphlete" schreiben, scheinen Sie nicht an einer objektiven Lösung mitwirken zu wollen.--31.16.170.231 12:49, 10. Mai 2017 (CEST)
- Die ungerechtfertigte Unterstellung Da Sie hier auch noch von "Anti-Atom-Pamphlete" schreiben, scheinen Sie nicht an einer objektiven Lösung mitwirken zu wollen weise ich zurück. Green Run war mir bisher nicht bekannt, danke für den Hinweis -- und auch für den auf das Buch. Die Spiegel-Redaktion hätte gleich journalistisch-ordentlich "Ross und Reiter nennen" sollen, wenn es ihr auf seriöse Information angekommen wäre. So aber erweckt der Text durchaus den Eindruck "Anti-Atom-Pamphlet". Und nun behaupte/behaupten Sie bitte nicht, solche hätte es nie gegeben... --UvM (Diskussion) 13:25, 10. Mai 2017 (CEST)
- Eine kurze Recherche ergab amazon.de. Außerdem gibt es ja auch noch den Wikipedia Artikel zu Green-Run. Aus dem Spiegel Artikel geht hervor (übrigens auch aus dem Wikipedia Artikel), dass Anwohner absichtlich zu Testzwecken verstrahlt wurden. Dies ist in allen zivilisierten Gemeinschaften illegal (auch schon 1949) und somit kann man auch nicht von leichtfertigen Umgang reden. Da Sie hier auch noch von "Anti-Atom-Pamphlete" schreiben, scheinen Sie nicht an einer objektiven Lösung mitwirken zu wollen.--31.16.170.231 12:49, 10. Mai 2017 (CEST)
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Weissbier 07:11, 11. Sep 2006 (CEST)
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"Green Run"
- http://toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Green+Run+-+Hanford
- http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/0,1518,752346,00.html
- http://books.google.de/books?id=8wUAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=%22Spokesman-Review%22+%22Green+Run%22&source=bl&ots=9ix2xPs0FO&sig=cskudp-4258ZnI62KFeqxMmFECM&hl=de&ei=5wiJTY6THoaAOqW93ZgO&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22Spokesman-Review%22%20%22Green%20Run%22&f=false
Kopilot 18:53, 22. Mär. 2011 (CET)
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Eindruck
Der Spiegel-Artikel enthält gravierende Aspekte, die dieser Artikel nicht nennt. Zum Beispiel die absichtliche Freisetzung von Radioaktivität. Oder eben Missbildungen bei Mensch und Tier. Aber drumherum gibt es viel Landwirtschaft. – Simplicius 22:03, 22. Mär. 2011 (CET)
- Alle Probleme von Hanford sind wohl bekannt und öffentlich dokumentiert. --17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 16:58, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST)
- Archivierung dieses Abschnittes wurde gewünscht von 17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 16:58, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST), Verjährt u. beantwortet --17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 16:58, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST)
Undichte Tanks
Laut www.welt-online.de vom 16.02.2013, besteht der Verdacht, daß in Hanford die Tanks, in denen radioaktive Flüssigkeiten gelagert werden, nicht alle dicht sind. Zumindest aus einem der Tanks sollen jährlich 500 bis 1.300 Liter radioaktive Flüssigkeit auslaufen.--87.155.53.44 04:21, 17. Feb. 2013 (CET)
- Das ist seit Jahrzehnten bekannt und steht bereits im Kapitel #Hanford Tank Farm. Wenn du die dortige Darstellung nicht ausreichend findest, kannst du sie gerne verbessern und den Welt-Artikel als Beleg angeben. Du bist Wikipedia! Grüße --h-stt !? 15:20, 18. Feb. 2013 (CET)
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/us-strahlenruine-hanford-sechs-unterirdische-atommmuelltanks-lecken-a-885114.html (nicht signierter Beitrag von 80.187.103.52 (Diskussion) 04:03, 23. Feb. 2013 (CET))
- Alles bekannt und genug Informationen von offiziellen Quellen verfügbar. MfG --17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 16:59, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST)
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Die (?) Hanford Site / Material Tank und Becken
1. Die Stelle, die Niederlassung. Die geläufige Interpretation (Web)site / (Web)Seite ist hier ja nicht möglich.
Oder der Komplex, der Betrieb.
Oder doch das Gelände, das Areal?
Lässt sich dem englischen Begriff "Hanford Site" wirklich ein deutscher grammatikalischer Artikel zuordnen? Ich plädiere dafür den Artikel ganz wegzulassen, jedoch Übersetzungen des Wortes "Site" anzubieten. "Hanford Site (engl. im Sinn von: Stelle, Industriekomplex bei Hanford) ..." Gegenvorschlag: Im Französischen ist "site" in ähnlicher Bedeutung maskulin. (nicht signierter Beitrag von 77.206.229.240 (Diskussion) 18:30, 17. Feb. 2014 (CET))
- Archivierung dieses Abschnittes wurde gewünscht von 17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 17:01, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST), Bleibt so. Das ist der Name. MfG --17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 17:01, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST)
2. Sind die Tanks alle aus Stahl? Welche Sorte? Rostfreier, korrosionsfester Chromnickelstahl? Säurebeständiger? Ist das bekannt, dokumentiert? Diese Info sollte auch in den Abschnitt Tank-Farm.
Sind die Becken aus Beton? Beschichtet?
3. Weitere Empfehlungen: Grosse Volumina in Kubikmeter angeben. Die Tanks, die in 4 Inhalts-Typen aufgeteilt werden ... besser von 4 Hauptgefahrenklassen sprechen, und dass manche Tanks wohl auch mehrere dieser Hauptgefahren bergen. Die Explosionsgefahr des Eisencyanid-Inhalts erläutern - ist es chemische Instabilität gegen Zersetzung? Bei Wasserstoff (ohne und mit Tritium) die Detonationsgefahr als Knallgas und Brennbarkeit erwähnen. --Helium4 (Diskussion) 14:59, 24. Apr. 2013 (CEST)
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(Vermeintliche?) Inkonsistenz über die Lebensdauer der Tanks
- Die beim Bau vorgesehene Lebensdauer war für die einwandigen Tanks 30 Jahre und für die doppelwandigen Tanks 50 Jahre.
- Im Februar 2013 wurde bekannt, dass sechs unterirdische Tanks der Anlage [...] Diese Tanks [...] sind mittlerweile älter als die ursprünglich vorgesehene 20-jährige Nutzungsdauer.
--22:18, 25. Okt. 2014 (CEST)
- Lebensdauer != Nutzungsdauer. Grüße --h-stt !? 16:49, 27. Okt. 2014 (CET)
- Archivierung dieses Abschnittes wurde gewünscht von 17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 17:03, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST), Dieser umfangreiche Artikel von 2020 hat viele Details und Informationen. MfG --17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 17:03, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST)
gerade in den nachrichten (mai 2017)
- http://derstandard.at/2000057284759/Alarm-nach-Tunnel-Einsturz-in-frueherem-US-AtomanlageHanford-Site
- http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/hanford-us-nuclear-waste-radioactive-contamination-tunnel-1.4107595
- http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-tunnel-collapses-nuclear-waste-site-20170509-story.html
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/09/tunnel-collapses-at-hanford-nuclear-waste-site-in-washington-state-reports-say/?utm_term=.a348a1051205
- Yeah - völlig bedeutungslos. Da ist nichts passiert, das eine Erwähnung wert wäre. Grüße --h-stt !? 18:31, 12. Mai 2017 (CEST)
- Archivierung dieses Abschnittes wurde gewünscht von 17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 17:05, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST), Beantwortet. Hanford ist durchweg gut dokumentiert, siehe den 2020 Artikel weiter oben in den Kommentaren zum Beispiel. MfG --17387349L8764 (Diskussion) 17:05, 8. Jun. 2023 (CEST)
Autoarchiv?
Kann das hier rein, trotz „History“ am Anfang? --Hungchaka (Diskussion) 19:51, 11. Feb. 2015 (CET)
- Warum ? -- A1000 (Diskussion) 20:27, 11. Feb. 2015 (CET)
- Könnte man machen. Aber hier ist nicht so viel los, dass man ein Archiv braucht. Grüße --h-stt !? 10:01, 12. Feb. 2015 (CET)
- Naja, die Riesen-Box gleich am Anfang versperrt ganz gewaltig die Sicht a.d. eigentliche Disk - vllt. kann man ja auch selle Box ändern? --Hungchaka (Diskussion) 13:56, 13. Feb. 2015 (CET)
- Ich habe eben die Auto-Archivierunjg aktiviert. Die Hinweis-Box ist nicht (mehr?) ganz so riesig. ----<)kmk(>- (Diskussion) 22:42, 19. Sep. 2023 (CEST)
- Archivierung dieses Abschnittes wurde gewünscht von: Autoarchivierung einschließlich einer Erledigt-Archivierung ist jetzt aktiv. -<)kmk(>- (Diskussion) 22:42, 19. Sep. 2023 (CEST)