Diskussion:Esther Cremer

Olympics 2008

According to very significant source

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/countries/GER/summer/2008/ATH/

she did not take part in Olympics 2008.

Women's 4 × 400 metres Relay

• Jonna Tilgner
• Sorina Nwachukwu
• Florence Ekpo-Umoh
• Claudia Hoffman

User Laibwächter removed my edit, please enter the source that she took part in Olympics 2008. pjahr 12:24, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

There is no word about her participation in Olympics 2008 here and here. Information about is is only here but the format of the information is exactly the same as in Wikipedia, so that means the information comes from here. Just look how mistaken information is used further ! pjahr 12:33, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

Hi, please take a look at http://ard.ndr.de/barcelona2010/sportler/portraet/portrait166_athleteId-37974.html, which is the source of this information. To my knowledge Esther Cramer started 2008 like Jill Richards 2010 at the EM in the so called "Vorlauf". The english reference listings often lack some information in this case. I think I'll contact her coach for further information. But in case you can see here, that she was very lucky for being nominated for the WM in Berlin, 2009. If she has been nominated 2008 for the Olympic Games her surprise would be even smaller in 2009? --Laibwächter 13:50, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

As I said before, the information at http://ard.ndr.de/barcelona2010/sportler/portraet/portrait166_athleteId-37974.html is copied from German Wikipedia (the same format of the information, can you see it?) You put here mistaken information that was copied and in my opionion it is unacceptable. Pleas give another reliable source like http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/. pjahr 14:03, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

Look at Märkische Allgemeine, which suggested that Cramer took place at the Olympic Games in 2008 but in fact it could be read as the staffel. But at a closer look it's a statement from Claudia Hoffmann: "Und immer habe sie davon geträumt, einmal auf dem Podest stehen zu können. 2003 in Paris bei der Weltmeisterschaft war sie mit Rang vier schon mal dicht dran. Doch es gab auch Tiefpunkte wie bei der WM 2007, als mangels Klasse kein deutsches Quartett nominiert worden war. Danach ging es aber stetig bergauf. 2008 reichte es zu Olympia-Platz acht." NOT Cremer. --Laibwächter 14:23, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

Another question: Jonna Tilgner took part in Olympics 2008 and it is mentioned at her profil (http://www.leichtathletik.de/index.php?NavID=25&SiteID=418&AthletID=998 - 8. der Olympischen Spiele 2008). There is no word about it at Esther Cremer's profile (http://www.leichtathletik.de/index.php?NavID=25&SiteID=418&AthletID=2121). Is that portal also lacking? pjahr 14:10, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

Does anyone but you have any doubt that Esther Cremer did not take part in Olympics 2008?

http://www.leichtathletik.de/index.php?NavID=1&SiteID=28&NewsID=19457&IsArchive=1

Nachdem der Aufwärtstrend im deutschen 400-Meter-Lager der Frauen im Jahr 2007 einen kleinen Dämpfer erfahren hatte, ging es 2008 wieder bergauf. 2004 noch hatte die deutsche 4x400-Meter-Staffel bei den Olympischen Spielen das Finale verpasst, diesmal war das deutsche Quartett auf Platz acht im Finale vertreten. Im Vorlauf waren Jonna Tilgner (Bremer LT), Sorina Nwachukwu (TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen), Florence Ekpo-Umoh (Erfurter LAC) und Claudia Hoffmann (SC Potsdam) in 3:25:55 Minuten unterwegs gewesen.

It is clear now and please delete that miskaten information because Wikipedia must be reliable source and in that case - it is not! pjahr 14:22, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

So - vielleicht solltest du dich einmal wie jeder deutschsprachige User auf en: auch hier des Deutschen bemühen. So schlecht scheinen ja zumindest deine passiven Deutschkünste nicht zu sein. Das stetige Herunterbeten der selbst nicht fehlerfreien reference.com - Quelle übersieht, dass sowohl die ARD als auch der NDR normalerweise verlässliche Quellen sind. Da aber der en: User stets meine diesbezüglichen Beiträge überhaupt nicht zur Kenntnis nahm, nimmt mir dieser Sturm im Wasserglas den Spaß am entgegenkommenden huldvollen Englisch. --Laibwächter 14:27, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

I don't speak German, I use translator to understand your language. I leave that subject, if you want mistaken information it is your way to create German Wikipedia. Do what you want to. Regards, pjahr 14:29, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

It's a shame, that you use google translator or something else, "understand" the german nuances and think that the german NDR is not reliable. They make the mistake - but normaly there are reliable (errare humanum est). And in fact I see an enormous lack of "assume good faith" on your side. EOD --Laibwächter 14:41, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

Using translator is enough to find mistake at German Wikipedia. And that is a shame. pjahr 14:44, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

LOL - using translator is enough to ignoring the source of misinformation, understandig the history of an mistake and blaming other users for the mistakes of ARD and NDR. Assume good faith, I see, is impossible for you. --Laibwächter 14:50, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

The changing the subject is your strong side. I gave you three sources, now give forth: [1]. You gave one source, that contains mistaken data copied from German Wikipedia. I have nothing to add. pjahr 15:06, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

Your misunderstanding of "actio et reactio" and ignoring of "asssume good faith" is narrow-minded. You allways ignore the fact that the ARD and NDR, which are normally reliable sources first annonces this detail, many german newspapers also took this detail again, because first the Märkische Allgemeine puts this detail into the newspaper landscape. I've given you several sources for the genesis of misinformation. But you are obvious incapable for seeing the origns. You'll never mistakes, you won't? --Laibwächter 15:25, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

Seit 14:36 Uhr hat er zudem gar keinen Grund mehr hier zu posten. EOD --Laibwächter 15:28, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

WM 2013

Ihr wohl größter Einzelerfolg fehlt noch, bei der WM 2013 erreichte sie das Halbfinale. --LA Fan (Diskussion) 08:40, 21. Jan. 2014 (CET)

PB

Sie hat sie über 100 m auf 11,38 s verbessert. --LA Fan (Diskussion) 22:24, 31. Mai 2014 (CEST)