Diskussion:Menri
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BearbeitenDer Artikel enthält einige Darstellungen, die nicht von einem neutralen Standpunkt ausgehen, und vieles ist nicht durch die einzige Quelle belegt, die ursprünglich angegeben war — Menri Monastery (Ligmincha Institute at Serenity Ridge). Zur Geschichte von Menri im 20. Jahrhundert heißt es dort nämlich nur:
- This monastery was completely destroyed by the Chinese during the Communist invasion. [Das heißt 1951? Sicher nicht!] Like the nearly one-hundred-thousand other Tibetan refugees at that time, [Also doch 1959?] the Menri monks fled Tibet. They entered the northwest state of India, where they tried to earn a living as road workers in Manali. But because of difficult conditions, many of them died from exhaustion and serious illness. Among them was Sherab Lodro (1935-1963) the thirty second Abbot of Menri.
Eine höchst unzuverlässige Quelle. Die angaben in dem Artikel kommen auch nicht vom Berzin-Archiv, denn den Link (A Brief History of Menri M'onastery) habe ich erst später eingefügt und dort heißt es nur:
- In 1947, Menri itself established a debating college. Although Ensaka had the debate tradition study of sutra, tantra, and dzog-chen, Menri was only able to institute it for sutra. The monastery carried out a full calendar of tantric rituals and practice.
Menri Monastery had four colleges: Lingmey (gLing-smad), Lingto (gLing-stod), Lingkey (gLing-ske) and Lingzur (gLing-zur). The colleges had twelve divisions and all together, in 1959, between 400 and 500 monks. Menri had 250 branch monasteries, in all areas of Tibet except U, as well as in India, China, Bhutan, Sikkim, Nepal, and Mongolia.
In 1978, the debate college of Menri, Pel Shenten Menriling (dPal gShen-bstan sMan-ri gling), was reestablished in Solan, Himachal Pradesh, India. At present, there are 70 monks. The monks study not only sutra, but also tantra and dzog-chen through the medium of debate. They study the traditional fields of knowledge of medicine, astrology, art, poetry, and grammar as well.
Woher kommen die Angaben in dem Artikel also? Hoffentlich nicht von Bruno Baumann, denn der ist als einzige Quelle nicht akzeptabel. Genaue Quellenangaben sind notwendig und Einzelnachweise wären sinnvoll. —Babel fish 08:16, 19. Jun. 2007 (CEST)
1. Warum ist Baumann nicht akzeptabel? Offenbar leiden Sie unter einer Baumann-Allergie. 2. wie kommen Sie darauf, daß Baumann die Quelle ist? 3. Dumont wird als Quelle hoffentlich genehm sein. Bezüglich der Zerstörungen (die Sie offenbar leugnen wollen) noch ein kurzes Zitat: Contrary to official Chinese assertions, much of Tibet's culture and religion was destroyed between 1955 and 1961, and not during the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) alone. This was confirmed by Bhuchung, the then Vice-President of the so-called TAR People's Government, at a press conference on 17 July 1987, when he stated that what little remained to be destroyed was obliterated during the Cultural Revolution under the slogan "Smash the Four Olds". Out of Tibet's total of 6,259 monasteries and nunneries only about eight remained by 1976. Among those destroyed were the seventh-century Samye, the first monastery in Tibet; Gaden, the earliest and holiest monastic university of the Gelugpas; Sakya, the main seat of the Sakyas; Tsurphu, one of the holiest monasteries of the Kagyus; Mindroling, one of the most famous monasteries of the Nyingmapas; Menri, the earliest and most sacred Bön monastery, etc. (zit nach http://www.tibet.com/WhitePaper/white7.html — ach so, das ist ja vom pösen, pösen Dalai Lama, darf daher nicht wahr sein ...) --Christianus 17:55, 9. Feb. 2008 (CET)