Diskussion:Payback Time

Correct release date

There seems to be some confusion about the release date, so let me explain. Basically there were two versions of this album. First version was released in 2009 and had 12 songs and was only sold at concerts and online. This version- https://www.discogs.com/release/4890067-Marya-Roxx-Payback-Time

And then there was the second version that released in November 2010, that had little bit different tracklist and only 10 songs. This Wikipedia article is about 2010 version not 2009 version. - https://www.discogs.com/release/2566171-Marya-Roxx-Payback-Time --Muusikaekspert (Diskussion) 16:30, 7. Feb. 2025 (CET)

So the debut album got released in 2009 and then there's a re-release with some changes in 2010.

What makes you think that this article is only about the latter? --JD {æ} 02:55, 9. Feb. 2025 (CET)

The version that was released in 2009 was sold only during concerts in 2009 and (due to high demand from fans) it was also sold for a short time only from Maarja's official website. It was NEVER sold in actual music stores, not once, never. The difference here is that these two versions of this album have different tracklists. The 2009 version had 12 songs. The 2010 version has 10 songs. This article here has 10 songs and the tracklist of the 2010 version, NOT the 2009 version. The 2010 version was missing four songs that were on the 2009 album while adding two completely new songs that were not on the 2009 album. All these things were also mentioned in many articles published in 2009 and 2010.

So first of all, 2008 was completely wrong. This entire article is about the 2010 version; it doesn't even mention the 2009 version and has the 2010 version's tracklist. It's really that simple. Literally all the reviews mentioned in this article are about the 2010 version. That was the version that was actually sold in record stores, and it was released in November 2010.

So this article should either mention the 2009 version (and its different tracklist) or even have both tracklists present in the article. But as of right now, this article says that the album was released in 2009, while having a completely wrong (2010 version) tracklist.

So to answer your question directly- everything in this article is about the 2010 version. Literally everything. There's no mention of re-release, there's no mention of removing four songs that were present in 2009 version and adding 2 new ones. --Muusikaekspert (Diskussion) 06:11, 9. Feb. 2025 (CET)

Feel free to add info to the article. Don't spread false information - like this album was released in 2010 - again. Thanks, --JD {æ} 15:58, 9. Feb. 2025 (CET)

False information? This is literally ridiculous. You very clearly didn't understand anything that I just wrote, and you clearly don't know anything about this album or music in general.

I literally don't even care anymore; if the German version of Wikipedia has false information or not, that's your fault. You are the one who completely doesn't understand when this album was released. You are the ONLY ONE SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION.

For years the release date for this album (in this article) was 2008, and that was completely wrong. I fixed it to the correct release date, and you were the one who changed it back and started arguing.

Even if you google "Marya Roxx Payback Time release date," it says clearly 2010. November 2010 is the correct release date. Deal with it.

The 2009 version was basically just for "promotion," only sold at concerts; the 2010 version was the MAIN ACTUAL RELEASE by a major record company. It's unbelievable that you don't understand that and actually try to argue.

You don't know anything about this album; you don't know anything about music, and by the way, you can add information or fix whatever you want on this page by yourself. I'm completely done with this nonsense. Estonian Wikipedia has the correct information, Finnish Wikipedia has the correct information, and that is all that matters, honestly. Fix your own false information or actually educate yourself about when something was released; read articles from 2009 and 2010, etc. Thanks. --Muusikaekspert (Diskussion) 19:43, 9. Feb. 2025 (CET)

And it's honestly extremely insulting that you even dare to say that I'm spreading false information when I'm literally the one adding correct information. You are adding false information, and thanks to you, this entire article is completely false. This is my last reply to you, because it's completely pointless to even explain anything to you. You clearly don't care anyway. Do you want this article to be false? Good for you. Everyone knows anyway that this album was released in November 2010. That's the correct release date, and nothing will change that fact. Bye. --Muusikaekspert (Diskussion) 20:15, 9. Feb. 2025 (CET)

Um auf die Sachfrage zurückzukommen, nachdem ich Muusikaekspert als Sperrumgehung blockiert habe. Die estnische Wikipedia hilft nicht weiter, die gibt in Einleitunsgssatz und Infobox schon zwei verschiedene Daten an und hat eine Zwischenüberschrift "2009. aasta versioon". Die Versionen sind jedenfalls unterschiedlich, sowohl in Tracklist als auch Cover. Die kommerzielle Version jedenfalls ist am 5. November 2010 erschienen. Sollte man wohl noch irgendwie einbauen. --Gripweed (Diskussion) 21:30, 9. Feb. 2025 (CET)