Magog the Ogre

nowCommons

Hallo Magog the Ogre, please do not subst the nowCommons template on depw. :-) Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 01:38, 7. Mär. 2011 (CET)

Oops! Thanks for the heads up and sorry about that.   Magog the Ogre 01:57, 7. Mär. 2011 (CET)

No problem. :D

Small question: we are currently discussing exact the thing you made a bot for: old file versions and CommonsHelper transfers! Many old file versions get lost because the transferring people do not care about and neither most of the deleting admins. :-(

Can you tell me more about your cool bot? Can anybody use it? Any info page about it? :-) Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 02:35, 7. Mär. 2011 (CET)

Yes! My bot mostly works on English Wikipedia, where it delinks images: w:Special:Contributions/OgreBot. However, by the time I got this up, 80% of the work was already done (the background of getting a bot set up), so I decided to quickly set it up to transfer the history of an image to commons: the request is here: commons:Commons:Bots/Requests/OgreBot. It's written in PHP, and it's not even that long. I'd be glad to share it with you. You'd need a PHP interpreter on your computer (native to Linux, not to Windows or Mac though), and a working knowledge of how to use the command line.

FYI, you can contact me on my en.wp page or my commons page; if I haven't been around for a month or so, commons would probably be better because I get email notification there. Magog the Ogre 03:19, 7. Mär. 2011 (CET)

→ Moved to commons:User_talk:Magog_the_Ogre --Saibo (Δ) 04:15, 7. Mär. 2011 (CET)

OgreBot and Datei:Coat of Arms of Bösingfeld (Germany).svg

Hi

When your Bot transfered the (now deleted) file Datei:Wappen of Bösingfeld.svg to commons and renamed it to URL https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Coat_of_Arms_of_B%C3%B6singfeld_%28Germany%29.svg

somethings worked bad. All comments of the original file got lost. :-(

Later, on 12. Sep., the original file was deleted, but the new transferred file was not used as a replacement! By chance I discovered this today and pointed to the problem in URL http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fragen_zur_Wikipedia#Datei:Wappen_of_B.C3.B6singfeld.svg

After manually correction/replacement of the link in the article URL http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_%28Heraldik%29 , now there is the false information displayed "Dateiverwendung

Keine Seite benutzt diese Datei. " when inspecting the URL http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Wappen_B%C3%B6singfeld.svg&page=1

Maybe this explains why by the manually deletion of the original file, no links were checked and recovered. What is your oppinion to this case? Of course I (and others) are interested that such an event doesn't occur again for other file transfers. Thanks for your time, Achim1999 (Diskussion) 13:40, 11. Okt. 2012 (CEST)

You'll need to have a chat with User:Yellowcard, who made the deletion. The bot only transferred some of the old versions over; the bot does not deal with properly relinking the file. Magog the Ogre (Diskussion) 03:18, 13. Okt. 2012 (CEST)

Yes, I know, but the problem is a bit different:

• when the Bot transfered all the file-versions, it seems that nearly all comments of these file-versions got lost (were not copied), due to this robot-transfer, didn't it?
• The deleter, User:Yellowcard, I have not contacted him, can simple point me to the WRONG information of the http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Wappen_B%C3%B6singfeld.svg&page=1 that there exists no usage of this (new) file! So, he is not responsible for the covering/relink/ correct replacement of old links. Who is responsible for this wrong information (who placed it there)?

Thanks, Achim1999 (Diskussion) 14:06, 13. Okt. 2012 (CEST)

I don't know who is responsible on German Wikipedia. It is either the person who tagged the image originally or the deleting administrator. It is definitely not the bot, which didn't even perform the original transfer (it only picked up some intermediary versions that the Commons uploader missed). As for "comments", I don't even know what you're referring to. Again, this is not OgreBot's problem. It's not that I don't want to help you, it's that you're asking in the wrong place. Magog the Ogre (Diskussion) 04:26, 14. Okt. 2012 (CEST)

Sorry, I don't know what you mean with "the person who tagged the image originally" (the original image is deleted and I can't look up) nor the wording "deleting administrator". So from you I get the information: this robot is NOT responsible, but I (Magog the Ogre) can not tell you who exactly you should ask. :-/

Regarding the "comments": Each file-version has an attribut, refered officially as "comments" and this is listed for each file-version on its file-description page in the section file-history. I wonder really that you don't know this (its existence). Achim1999 (Diskussion) 14:41, 14. Okt. 2012 (CEST)

Achim, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. For "comments", you might mean many different things. I will go over what should be done for each one:

• The discussion page: this never existed for the image you've listed, so I don't know why you'd be bringing it up.
• The file description page: you will need to talk to the deleting admin about that. If you don't receive a satisfactory response, try asking at Wikipedia:Administratoren/Anfragen.
• The EXIF data: this was transferred by the bot along with the image.
• Perhaps a German Wikipedia version of image annotations: I am not even aware if these exist, but if they do, you'll need to talk to the deleting admin about it. If you don't receive a satisfactory response, try asking at Wikipedia:Administratoren/Anfragen.
• The original upload log ("Ursprüngliches Datei-Logbuch"): I don't know why you'd want this, but I'm sorry I didn't transfer it over. However, when you moved the image to Commons, you didn't transfer that information over either.
• The comments made as part of each non-upload edit: these are generally discarded for each transfer, as they aren't significant to the image itself. If you have information that is important to the image, you should include that on the image description page or talk page, not in an edit summary.

I hope I've been of help, if not, let me know. Magog the Ogre (Diskussion) 22:36, 15. Okt. 2012 (CEST)

I thought that this characterisation, I just have put it in bold to avoid to repeat it here, is a unique definition which comments I mean. You seem to give me an answer by these are generally discarded for each transfer, as they aren't significant to the image itself -- I wonder how/why you judge that these aren't significant to the image itself. :-/ Meanwhile I got a different answer/explanation regarding the comments of a file-version on Wikipedia:Fragen_zur_Wikipedia#Datei:Wappen_of_Bösingfeld.svg. I cite its decisive part:

nachdem die vorherigen Version nach Commons übertragen wurden. Das dabei dann die Hochladekommentare verloren gehen, ist unschön, lässt sich aber aufgrund des begrenzten Platz beim Nachhochladen schwierig umsetzen

and translating this into english:

after the previous versions were transfered to Commons. In doing so, it is "unfine" (unpleasant) that the "upload-comments" get lost, but due to the the limited space during upload this is difficult to be avoided.

This explanation sounds more like a bug (software difficulty) when a file is transferred. Thanks I will try to contact these Wikipedia:Administratoren/Anfragen . Achim1999 (Diskussion) 11:26, 16. Okt. 2012 (CEST)